tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post4771949551680102943..comments2023-10-08T11:32:10.228-04:00Comments on The Western Right: Hillary the CommunistA.J.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11066306250335250019noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-84494329279652734992008-01-13T11:08:00.000-05:002008-01-13T11:08:00.000-05:00In Your Face George Soros You Evil Communist Dev...In Your Face George Soros You <BR/> Evil Communist Devil!mlculwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160062102050436408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-30280656649300865962008-01-10T13:01:00.000-05:002008-01-10T13:01:00.000-05:00Anonymous said:"Your argument that Christianity is...Anonymous said:<BR/>"Your argument that Christianity is not an economic model is also irrelevant. The fact remains that the religion presents clear teachings that one should not focus on the accumulation of wealth but should rather strive to help those in need." <BR/><BR/>Anonymous, I am sorry to say, Like most Libs you are as ignorant as they come concerning Christianity. <BR/>Christains are to give, but they are to give from their hearts willingly, not to be forced by constraint of their Government, What good would it do then for a chrsitian to be forced to give by the Government? None! You simply use the argument to appeal to those not on your side to make them buy the foolishness you have bought into yourself. You think this is some kind of cure to the ills of the world when it is the problem ,you cannot give welfare it drains all resources. "you teach a man to fish." and watch what happens? <BR/><BR/>In society men and women have differant levels of learning and ambition, you cannot stifle ambition or reward no ambition, you want to play Robin Hood Like some crusader that is what you liberals are. Take from those who have acheived and give to others that is stealing!mlculwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160062102050436408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-62504980769202293822008-01-10T12:46:00.000-05:002008-01-10T12:46:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... "Let's consider her position mor...Anonymous said... "Let's consider her position more in line with the Christian ideal that one should work to foster a community of inclusion with one's fellow man"<BR/><BR/>Nothing is said even near what you have written! You cannot force anything on society it does not *take a village* to force her godless veiws! all things christian share in common are not with godless socialist Communists.<BR/>That is clearly the Lefts agenda.<BR/><BR/> The scriptures teach not to be unequally yoked with the unbeliever<BR/>so we are not to share their common veiws of socialism what is it with you liberals and your love affair with such a Godless failure that only sounds good but does not work?mlculwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160062102050436408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-66972575760623912842007-05-31T15:20:00.000-04:002007-05-31T15:20:00.000-04:00Great points, AJ. Indeed, government cannot manufa...Great points, AJ. Indeed, government cannot manufacture compassion. Christianity does teach to give to those less fortunante, but Hillary and the other socialists extend this to mean it is government's right to ensure this happens by taking the people's money and giving it to places they deem worth, regardless of whether or not it actually does any good. Almost always, it doesn't. <BR/><BR/>Remember the commandment "Thou shall not steal?" "Christian" Hillary has a funny way of interpreting that when she talks about all the money she's going to take from people.<BR/><BR/>As far as the Christian bias against the rich, I think they are slightly out of context for today's world. In the Biblical times (and up until around the Industrial Revolution), wealth was almost never created through building businesses which help people and deliver a product to consumer that they demand at a reasonable price. Instead, the wealthy was government: the monarchy, pharoahes, the rulers, etc. Most of the rich people today have build their wealth by helping people through businesses. Businesses give people jobs and by definition help people as consumers wouldn't buy a product that didn't make them happier. Also, unlike in Biblical times, the rich today very often give extensive sums to causes of <I>their choosing</I>, like with Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. The rulers of Biblical times are rarely seen giving their riches away, as they are gained in the first place from taxing the people.<BR/><BR/>If your goal is to help the less fortunant and worse off, then deregulate business, promote free trade, privatize government programs, lower taxes and watch the economy take off. These are the policies which have been shown time and time again to increase the standard of living of <I>all</I> members of a society. Yet, no matter how often they are proved wrong, the socialists still think they're smarter than the market (which represents the sum of all knowledge of all market participants) and can "fix it," to consistently disasterous results.<BR/><BR/>Want to eliminate poverty? Want to help your fellow man? Then quit tying the invisible hand.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01589348340696976854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-48827269662984170952007-05-31T10:49:00.000-04:002007-05-31T10:49:00.000-04:00What is economic justice? A welfare program that d...What is economic justice? A welfare program that doles out cash at an exponentially increasing rate, with recipients not being held accountable? Is it a food stamp program that continuously is bilked for hundreds of millions yearly due to fraud? <BR/>Christianity does indeed talk about taking care of one's neighbors, but nowhere does it say that the government should be the one taking one's money and giving it to someone else. Charity is indeed at the forefront of Christianity. Everything from tithing to those commercials you see on TV where you can sponsor a child are true Christian, PRIVATE, charities. Those Christians on the right for which you have such disdain do not eschew charity, they just do not want the government being the one to decide where there charity money should go. Increased taxes for social programs is not charity. <BR/><BR/>One final quote:<BR/>"The other day, the oil companies posted the largest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits, and I want to put them into a strategic energy fund to fund alternative smart energy..." Anytime the government tells me they want to take all the profits of the private sector for a cause they believe to be worthy, I worry about inching towards socialism. Hugo Chavez nationalized the energy companies in Venezuela. If Hillary has her way, we won't be far behind.A.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11066306250335250019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-52218332734969990002007-05-31T09:33:00.000-04:002007-05-31T09:33:00.000-04:00I'm not sure what you think socialism is Matthew. ...I'm not sure what you think socialism is Matthew. Hillary is certainly closer to the social democratic model found in many European countries; this I will grant you. Personally I am of the opinion that Hillary is taking positions designed to win her votes in the primary. It is exactly what you see being done on your side with candidates falling over themselves to express their support for torture (oh wait, what are they calling it now?) and many of the other shameful things we heard in the South Carolina debate.<BR/><BR/>Your argument that Christianity is not an economic model is also irrelevant. The fact remains that the religion presents clear teachings that one should not focus on the accumulation of wealth but should rather strive to help those in need. At best you could contend that Hillary's methods for doing this are not the best ones available. However, your choice is clear. You may either accept that this is the case or reject it. Rejecting does mean, however, that you will have to concede that vast amounts of people on the right who march under the banner of Christianity but reject its calls for economic justice are, in fact, not Christians at all. I leave the choice to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-53197405954928109772007-05-31T02:44:00.000-04:002007-05-31T02:44:00.000-04:00Christianity is not an economic model, but her bra...Christianity is not an economic model, but her brand of socialism is. Here are some choice Hillary quotes:<BR/><BR/>"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."<BR/><BR/>"We can’t afford to have that money go to the private sector. The money has to go to the federal government because the federal government will spend that money better than the private sector will spend it."<BR/><BR/>"Many of you are well enough off that [the] tax cuts may have helped you. We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."<BR/><BR/>"Too many people have made too much money."<BR/><BR/>Clinton is a socialist through and through. Her policies and her words reveal her as being in favor of massive redistributionist taxes, widespread nationalized programs, government intervention and micromanagement of our economy.<BR/><BR/>Hell, maybe she's just pandering to the far left to get the Democratic (Socialist) Party nomination, but I find that unlikely. She's a socialist, the real deal.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01589348340696976854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-44049478989020806022007-05-30T21:51:00.000-04:002007-05-30T21:51:00.000-04:00"There is no greater force for economic growth tha..."There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (taken from statement in question). Nope, I sure don't agree that that's a socialist statement. <BR/><BR/>Let's consider her position more in line with the Christian ideal that one should work to foster a community of inclusion with one's fellow man and work for your community and not for money. Would you say that her comments are definitively Christian?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-26364391147300925342007-05-30T08:31:00.000-04:002007-05-30T08:31:00.000-04:00I guess I was laying the sarcasm on too thick. Rat...I guess I was laying the sarcasm on too thick. Rather that accusing Hillary of actual plagiarism, my statement was attempting to illustrate the commonalities of her and Marx's rationales. The language she uses is clearly anti-market, anti-capitalist, and pro-state planning. Do you disagree that her comments were definitively socialist?Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01589348340696976854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22328391.post-56321984236809507462007-05-29T22:46:00.000-04:002007-05-29T22:46:00.000-04:00Prove that Hillary plagiarized from Marx. Where a...Prove that Hillary plagiarized from Marx. Where are your quotes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com